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Amazing work thanks
Ra:
--- Cytat: Spoons w 18 Stycznia 2014, 18:53:02 ---What is the long term aim with your Simulations. will this develop past a so far Freeware Simulation ? Is the aim to make a commercial product , Like Trainz or Train Simulator series or aim more towards the higher level Simulations like RUN 8 from the USA or Zusi 2 & 3 from Germany, that is been used by Train operators for training drivers.
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It looks like now I am the main developer for source code, new features and a scenery editor. I don't know if there are any common defined aims. I do it because I feel need to do it and I cannot guarantee that I will in a future. In 2013 many driver desks were build, based on original locomotive parts and there's kind of interest from some rail companies to use MaSzyna in teaching drivers. I find good idea to keep MaSzyna as freeware, however without a paid support we will not be able e.g. to build a 1:1 scenery that includes whole Poland, what we technically could.
Spoons:
Well yes money is always the limiting factor I have seen good sims ruined in the quest to turn a profit.
I take you know of Zusi Train simulator its been going a lot longer than you I think.
But that also is used for training of train driver's the current version that you can buy as a lot lower quality graphics than yours.
But the current so far only for Training use , but there is an Hobby version been worked on for general sales by that as been in the pipe line for at least 6 years there is an demo of Zusi 2 & the newer 3 you may want to take a look at there site.
There is an English section & maybe some other none German sections to.
But they are working in the same directions as your selfs but based on the German rail network.
http://www.zusi.de/pages/anfang/start.php
I hope its ok to add the link here if not please remove it I use Google or bing to translate as my German is still a long way off reading or fully understanding everything.
Maybe you could even talk to them I think they have quite a good team of modders both paid & freeware helpers
It is just an idea anyhow.
You have have a very good foundation for your core engine that feels good , ok it may not be HD graphics but I tend to find the whole HD & Effects thing overrated.
If you can nail the Simulation side then the eye candy must come 2nd to many have gone down that road at the cost of the simulation side.
If you look at Zusi they have kept it simple the Sim part come's first, as far as I understand they do not have rain yet in the Simulation or loads of Traffic like cars & trucks.
Its is nice that you would like to keep it free , but I think anyone understands that we all need an income too.
I will see If I can get some other people interested in trying your sim & they should not be put off by it being in Polish.
I can guide them through the basic's at least.
Though I keep getting stuck with the odd overload that will not reset even with Shift + N but still I am enjoying you work. quite a hi workload , I am use to driving German Trains in sims with all there fancy Tech. But I like this more hand on approach. Thanks for your reply's.
Tolein:
Well, technically MaSzyna is based on Polish rail and it is in Polish language, but there is a Hungarian team that develops some kind of Hungarian MaSzyna. I can't tell you much apart from the fact that they are Hungarians (I didn't go through their forums, which I'm quite sure are in Hungarian, so that might not be possible for me anyways, apart from google-translated version of it). But what I think they do is they adapt MaSzyna to Hungarian rail system, in terms of vehicles, infrastructure, scenery style, etc.
And what it takes me sooo long to get at is, that I guess we are always open to new people (kinda) and I guess we're also open to new teams like the Hungarian one. So if there comes a group of people that would like to make a train sim based on MaSzyna and British rail system, or any other for that matter, I guess we could make it work.
As for graphics, I think that, of course, simulation part is by far most important and it should be (though some may argue that fact), though I can't agree with a statement, that a good sim mustn't look as good as it simulates. Moreover, I'm pretty sure, that appearances are very much persuasive as for the new 'clients' or community members. The graphics are actually the first thing that literally catches the eye. So they can't be neglected.
And good graphics are two things. They are good models, hi-poly with nice textures and stuff, but they are also good graphics engine, with shaders and all the other eye-candy, though still efficient, and in a way everything that comes in between the two, like the level of detail politics and many many more.
I am not really sure why did I elaborate that much on it, though I'd guess I tried to say we can do much in the second department, I mean the models, textures and stuff, but still we need someone who would be interested in working on improving the graphics engine.
I will definitely go through the sims you suggested as a research.
I gotta admit, though, I'm not a very big simulation person... : D I always admired the way this game is - let's say - 'complicated' in terms of gameplay and controls, and there have even been a time I could do all the procedures and operate the train like a pro driver (maybe not a pro, a layman rather, but still, it was fun), but getting inside of the game, as a dev, it just is a plenty of new ways rewarding and interesting and everything fun. Also, the simulation and the procedures developed, so I'm way behind and not sure if I could get a train running without a walkthrough.
janek32:
--- Cytat: Ra w 19 Stycznia 2014, 21:08:18 ---In 2013 many driver desks were build, based on original locomotive parts and there's kind of interest from some rail companies to use MaSzyna in teaching drivers.
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It is used for example in Lublin, for training drivers in company Przewozy Regionalne:
Spoons:
--- Cytat: janek32 w 21 Stycznia 2014, 14:51:11 ---
--- Cytat: Ra w 19 Stycznia 2014, 21:08:18 ---In 2013 many driver desks were build, based on original locomotive parts and there's kind of interest from some rail companies to use MaSzyna in teaching drivers.
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It is used for example in Lublin, for training drivers in company Przewozy Regionalne:
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Very nice the same as been done with Zusi 2 & 3 There is even a link to buy the parts need to build a cab there. & other guides to self building smaller controls . I want to work on a small control , it just a matter of reading up getting the parts or building them & Time , time being the hardest part to find.
Its is now looking like we will be adding some sub sites onto our Steam games forum pages I have put yours forwards to be added this way I can keep people better informed of developments here & I hope attract more users to your sim.
I would imagine your Simulation is good enough to be used as a training aid, seeing how long it takes to train a driver & there is much less risk involved in a VR world than letting some one loose in a hi value real train,& for those rail company running on a small budget & can not afford a super computer this has to be a good cost effective option.
This is the sort of interest you need I would have thought its a better market than the hobby market & I hope you would get some sort of deal in return & get a good source of real world feed back from real drivers to improve the realism of the core engine.
What is your background out of intrest , as you say you are not a big follower of simulations.
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